我至少在两个场合告诉他此事
(前联邦调查局代理局长,皮卡德)
I’ve told him at least
on two occasions.
根据这份证词,
你对你的部下说
And you told the staff,
according to this statement…
阿什克罗夫特先生对你说他
再不想多听到这事
…Mr. Ashcroft told you that he did not
want to hear about this anymore.
是吗?
是的
– Is that correct?
– That is correct.
他手下的联邦调查局在那个夏天就得知
有基地成员在美国境内
His own FBI knew that summer
there were al Qaeda members…
而且本·拉♥登♥正派人到
…in the U.S. And bin Laden was
sending his agents to flight schools…
国内各地的飞行学校去
…around the country.
但是阿什克罗夫特的司法部门
对此视而不见
But Ashcroft’s Justice Department
turned a blind eye…
充耳不闻
…and a deaf ear.
但是在911之后,阿什克罗夫特
But after 9/11, John Ashcroft
had some brilliant ideas…
就如何保护美国有了个绝妙的点子
…for how to protect America.
在恐怖袭击的6个星期后,
爱国法案经国会通过
The Patriot Act, adopted by Congress
and signed by Bush…
并被布♥什♥签署生效
…six weeks after the attacks…
这改变了政♥府♥办事的方式
…has changed the way
the government does business.
爱国法案允许政♥府♥搜查公民的
医疗和财务记录
The Patriot Act allows for searches
of medical and financial records…
以及电脑、通话
…computer and telephone
conversations…
甚至你从图书馆借书的记录
但是我们采访的人,大部分都说
…even for the books you take out of
the library. But people we spoke to…
为和恐♥怖♥主♥义♥做斗争,
他们愿意放弃一些自♥由♥权利
…say they’re willing to give up
liberties to fight terrorism.
也许那是好事
当然有些失落,但必须这么做
– Maybe that’s a good thing.
– It’s sad, but it has to be done.
是的,有些事情必须这么做
Yes, something needed to be done.
这群好公民是弗雷斯♥诺♥和平会的会员
These are the good people
who make up Peace Fresno.
位于加利福尼亚州弗雷斯♥诺♥市
的社区团体
A community group
in Fresno, California.
不像我们,他们较早就开始
Unlike the rest of us,
they received an early lesson…
学习讨论爱国法案的内容
…in what the Patriot Act is all about.
每个星期,他们聚在一起
讨论有关和平的事情
Each week, they meet to discuss
matters of peace.
他们坐在一起,分享故事,一起吃曲奇饼
They sit around, they share stories,
they eat cookies.
有些人还吃了不止一块
Some have more than one.
这位是亚伦.斯托克斯
弗雷斯♥诺♥和平会的会员
This is Aaron Stokes,
a member of Peace Fresno.
其他会员都喜欢他
The other members liked him.
他来参加会议,跟我们聚会
He had come to the meetings,
he went with us.
每星期五的晚上和我们一起
站在弗雷斯♥诺♥繁忙的街头散发传♥单♥
We go out on Friday nights and stand
on a very busy corner in Fresno.
他和我们一起散发文件
And he had gone with us,
he had handed out fliers.
在6月跟我们一起
去抗♥议♥世界贸易组织的会议
He went with us in June
to a WTO protest.
后来有一天,亚伦没有来参加会议
Then one day, Aaron didn’t show up
to the meeting.
我朋友丹娜和我正在读星期天的报纸
My friend Dan and I were reading
the Sunday newspaper…
当我拿起报纸,
看到地方新闻上
…and when I picked up the paper,
in the local section…
有亚伦的照片
…Aaron’s picture caught my eye.
那篇报道说有地方警员被杀
The article said that a sheriff’s deputy
had been killed…
我看到他的名字并不是我们知道的那个名字
…and I saw it had a name
that wasn’t the right name…
报道说他是警局反恐小组的成员
…that said that he was a member
of the sheriff’s antiterrorism unit.
没错
That’s right.
报纸上的照片
The photo of the man
in the newspaper…
不是他们认识的亚伦.斯托克斯
…was not the Aaron Stokes
they had come to know.
他实际上是特工亚伦·金勒,
他渗透到他们的团体中了
He was actually Deputy Aaron Kilner,
and he had infiltrated their group.
皮尔斯警官说得很明白了,是的
Sheriff Pierce made it very clear
that, yes…
亚伦·金勒受命潜入到弗雷斯♥诺♥和平会中
…Aaron Kilner was assigned
to infiltrate Peace Fresno…
他是为了潜入
…that he was able to infiltrate
organizations…
公共团体而来的
…that are open to the public.
你也许明白为什么警♥察♥要侦察
You could understand why the police
needed to spy…
弗雷斯♥诺♥和平会这样的团体
…on a group like Peace Fresno.
只是要监视他们
Just look at them.
如果说我见过恐♥怖♥分♥子♥集♥会♥的话,
这算一个吧
A gathering of terrorists
if I ever saw one.
这位是巴里.雷哥德,
加利福尼亚州奥肯市的
This is Barry Reingold,
a retired phone worker…
退休电♥话♥工人
…from Oakland, California.
巴里喜欢到健身房♥做运动
Barry likes to work out in the gym.
在健身器械堆中的某处
Somewhere between his cardio
and his strength training…
巴里谈到了政♥治♥
…Barry got political.
我们在做完运动后,
我们聚集一起
We were up in the gym,
and it was after we were working out…
谈论911、阿富汗
…and a number of us were talking
about 9/11 and Afghanistan…
和本·拉♥登♥,有个人说:
“本·拉♥登♥真是个混♥蛋♥
…and bin Laden, and someone said,
“Bin Laden’s a real asshole…
杀了那么多人”
我说:“没错”
…for murdering those people.”
And I said, “Yeah, that’s true.
但是他还没有像布♥什♥那样混帐
But he’ll never be as big
an asshole as Bush…
为了石油利益轰炸世界各地
…who bombs all over the world
for oil profits.”
巴里本不用担心警♥察♥会监视他
Barry didn’t have to worry
about the police spying on him.
他的健身伙伴把他给举报了
His fellow weightlifters
were more than willing to turn him in.
我正在午睡,大概是下午1点半,或者是2点
I was taking a nap, and I guess
it was 1:30, 2:00 in the afternoon.
他们来到我家找我
我问道:“谁啊?”
And they came to my place,
and I said, “Well, who’s there?”
他们说:“FBI”
我说:“FBI?为什么跑这里来了?”
And they said, “The FBI.”
I said, “The FBI? Why are they here?”
是的,FBI来找巴里了,他们可不是
去找他玩爵士乐的
Yes, the FBI had come to see Barry.
And they weren’t there to Jazzercise.
FBI说:“你和别人在讨论911和本·拉♥登♥
The FBI said, “Have you been talking
to people about 9/11 and bin Laden…
还有石油利益和阿富汗吗?”
我说:“很多人都在
…and oil profits and Afghanistan?”
I said, “A lot of people are talking…
讨论这个话题啊”
…about these things.”
我感觉我的权利被践踏了
I feel my rights have been,
you know, trampled on.
我是说,如果你有事想在健身房♥里跟我说,
这没关系
I mean, if you have something to say
to me in the gym, well, then, fine.
但别告诉FBI,他们会在我睡觉的时候
找到我的公♥寓♥来的
Don’t tell the FBl, and they come to my apartment
while l’m taking a nap.
没什么丢人的,所有一切都必须透明
(国会议员波特高斯)
Nothing to be ashamed of. There’s full transparency.
我觉得爱国法案在任何形式上…
(众议院情报委员会主席)
There’s nothing about the Patriot Act I am ashamed of…
…都没什么让我感到羞愧的
…in any way, shape or form.
我这里有1800门电♥话♥,打给我
(不是真的)
I have a 1-800 number. Call me.
如果发现有违反和滥用该法案的情况,打给我
(他的私人办公室的电♥话♥)
I’m the guy you call if there’s a violation or an abuse.
如果你有现成的例子,拿给我看
If you’ve got a poster child on this, I wanna see it.
人♥民♥雇我提供监督,我不能白拿俸禄
I’m hired by the people to provide oversight. I provide oversight.
特伦特 洛特(参议院多数党领袖)
说 该法案实施的那一天
Trent Lott said, the day the bill was introduced:
“也许我们就可以去做
过去10年一直想做的事情了”

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