Thank you so much for coming. – Jim.
是爱支撑着我走到了今天
Oh, it’s love that carried me here today.
上帝保佑你 – 塔米·菲
God bless you. Tammy Faye.
杰里
Jerry.
请进来 欢迎你们
Come in, please. Please come in. Welcome.
谢谢 非常感谢你们的到来
Thank you. Thank you for coming, fellas.
好吧
All right.
人都齐了
Well, here we are.
我们觉得最好的办法就是
We think it’s best
让你和全体牧师撇清关系
that we create a distance between you and the ministry.
只要几周的时间
It’ll only be for a couple of weeks.
然后慢慢地 我们再让你回到网络里…
Then, gradually, we’ll bring you back on the network
等所有这些不愉快的事过去后
after all this unpleasantness settles down.
杰里 你是浸礼者 你知道 你不是神赐恩典的人
Jerry, you’re a Baptist. You know, you’re not a charismatic.
我们的观众不会喜欢的
And our audience won’t like that.
对吧 吉姆? – 观众?
Right, Jim? – Audience?
我以为他们是教区居民
I thought they were parishioners.
他们是
They are.
他们是我们的合作伙伴 我们称他们为合作伙伴
They’re our partners. We call them partners.
多亏了赞美主
20 million souls a day
每天有两千万人接触到上帝之道
touched by The Word. Thanks to PTL.
你马上回去 然后…
You go back there right away, and…
上帝保佑你们
Well, bless your hearts.
看看你们俩现在的样子 真可怜
Look at the two of you right now, so very pitiful.
他们看见你们就会换台的
They see you, and they’ll change the channel.
吉姆
Jim,
你为了耶♥和♥华♥
all those souls you won
赢得了大量灵魂
for Jesus…
而我来这里是为了你们
I’m here for you.
谢谢您 尊敬的牧师
Thank you, Reverend. Mm.
只要确保你们照顾好我们的合作伙伴
Just make sure you take care of our partners.
这是现在唯一重要的事
That is the only thing that matters now.
您正在收看的是赞美主
You’re watching PTL,
启发人心的网络广播
The Inspirational Network.
塔米和我很高兴
Tammy and I are so very glad
能拥有这次机会和你们探讨
that we’ve been granted the opportunity to talk with you today,
还有…
and, um…
打个招呼
Say hello.
大家好
Hello, everybody.
以及…
And…
我们想告诉你们
we want to say to you
我们非常抱歉
that we are so very, very sorry.
感谢一直支持我们的人
And to thank the people who are standing with us all over,
说 “吉姆 我们原谅你了”
saying, “Jim, we do forgive you.
“我们原谅了吉姆和塔米所有的罪过”
“We forgive Jim and Tammy of all of their sins.”
我们很感激上帝原谅了我们
And we’re so thankful that God has forgiven us.
我们不知道未来会怎样 但我相信 塔米
We don’t know what the future holds, but I believe, Tammy.
因为我所认识的神还是那个神
‘Cause the God I know is still God.
我想太阳还会升起
I believe that the sun will shine again.
是的 我也是 吉姆
Oh, I do, too, Jim.
你想唱歌♥吗?你能唱吗?
Do you wanna sing it? Can you do it?
我当然没问题 – 好的
I sure will. – All right.
好吧 塔米·菲将为我们唱一首歌♥
All right, Tammy Faye is going to sing a song for us.
或许你也正受着伤 那么今天 你也需要这首歌♥
Well, maybe you’re hurting, and you need this song today, too.
所以 我是为我们俩唱 好吗?
So I’ll sing it for both of us, okay?
太阳还会升起
The sun will shine again
如果你正面对的山太高
Now, If you are facing a mountain so high
牢牢地挡在你面前
That just won’t move away
我们听说了你们的罪行
We’ve heard about your sinful behavior.
如果你揭发吉姆·贝克不可告人的事…
If you tell us what we need to know about Jim Bakker,
我们可以保护你
we can protect you.
听着 我的兄弟
Oh-ho, listen, my brother
我们不希望他们赤贫
We don’t want them destitute.
他们是上帝的孩子
They’re children of God.
我们想确保
We want to make sure
他们不会陷入严重的困境
we don’t leave them stranded in the desert.
写下来 你做了什么
Write it down, what you make,
你需要什么 每个细节
what you need, every little thing.
当你在疗愈期间
While you’re in your time of healing,
他希望你安全 得到补助
he wants you to be safe and provided for.
我告诉他你有多脆弱
I told him how fragile you are.
他想帮忙 他是这么跟我说的
He wants to help. He told me so himself.
你想要我们开始吗 亲爱的?
You wanna start us off, honey?
我该写什么 吉姆? – 所有
What should I write, Jim? – Start with everything.
从你需要的衣服开始
Start with what you need for clothes.
你的工资是多少 吉姆?
What’s your salary, Jim?
等一下 我再打给杰里试试
One second. I’ll try calling Jerry again.
他一个电♥话♥也没回我
He hasn’t returned any of my calls.
另一边的风暴
The other side whose storm
将要结束
Is going fo end
你的午夜就要过去
Well, your midnight’s almost over
“吉姆的终身收入
“Jim’s salary for a lifetime
是每年30万”
“at 300,000 per year.
“塔米的终身收入是每年10万”
“Tammy’s salary for a lifetime at 100,000 a year.
“秘书一年 电♥话♥账单”
“Secretary for one year. Phone bill.
“湖景房♥ 安保和贴身女仆”
“House on the lake. Security. Personal maid.”
我没看到有悔改
I don’t see the repentance there.
我看见了贪婪和以自我为中心的态度
I see the greed. I see the self-centeredness.
我看见是贪婪毁了他们
I see the avarice that brought them down.
吉姆 我坐在桌子对面
Jim, I have sat across the table
对方告诉我 你在同性恋方面的激进思想
from men who have told me about your homosexual advances.
从那以后 我了解到你有财政违规行为
And since then, I have learned of fiscal irregularities.
这将损害神的威严 吉姆…
It would be a disservice to God, Jim…
都结束了
It’s all over.
以及教堂 如果我允许你回来的话
…and to the church at large if I allowed you fo come back.
我被利用了
I’ve been had.
你怎么能相信那样的人?
How could you have trusted people like that?
你知道我不能允许你留下来
You understand that I can’t allow you to stay here.
你的房♥子和其中所有财产 都属于全体牧师
Your home, and everything in it, belongs to the ministry.
你的午夜就要过去
Your midnight’s almost over.
感谢上帝 太阳还会升起
And thank God, the sun is going to shine again.
赞美 以主的名义称赞
Praise, praise in the name of the Lord.
现在对你的指控
The charges being made against you right now
实际上 是你偷走了赞美主
are, in effect, that you stole PTL blind.
当赞美主连着好几个月
While PTL was suffering through months after months
都背负着两百万的债务
of $2 million negative balances,
你们却在支付自己奖金
you were paying yourself bonuses,
你们给塔米·菲奖金 – 不是的
you were paying Tammy Faye bonuses. – No.
我不知道牧师账户里 是否有过盈余 吉姆
I don’t know if you ever have a positive balance in a ministry, Jim.
我从不知道有人的账户里有盈余
I’ve never known anyone to have a positive one.
我们总是在追赶
We’re… We’re always playing catch-up.
吉姆·贝克今日被指控欺诈罪
Jim Bakker went on trial on charges of fraud today.
指控称贝克是
The prosecution called Bakker,
“被金钱和奢侈腐化的男人”
“A man corrupted by love of money and luxury.”
作为现已破产的赞美主牧师团体的 创始人 他骗取粉丝
The founder of the now-bankrupt PTL ministry swindled followers
数百万美元 只为自己过上奢侈的生活
out of millions of dollars to support a lavish lifestyle.
一对夫妇戴着 吉姆和塔米·菲的面具现身了
One couple showed up in Jim and Tammy Faye masks.
将赞美主账户中 数百万美元的资金挪为自用
…couple million dollars in PTL cash for their personal use.
你们去年赚了多少钱?
How much money did you earn last year?
薪水 奖金 股息和版税
Salary, bonuses, and dividends, and royalties. ..
不知道?你开始… – 我不知道确切的数字
No idea? You’re starting… – I don’t have the exact figure.
不确切 – 我老实说
Not exactly. – I honestly, honest…
我不知道我赚了多少钱 我从来没想过这件事
I do not know how much I make. I never thought about it.
她不去想这些 – 我真的没想过
She don’t. – I really don’t.
为了筹集急需的现金…
To raise desperately needed cash,
赞美主在拍卖♥♥个人物品…
PTL is auctioning off opulent personal items
是被免职的福音传道者吉姆和塔米·贝克
deposed Evangelists Jim and Tammy Bakker
用教会捐款买♥♥的
bought with church donations.
他们同时也买♥♥下了失德的指控
They also brought new charges of moral failure.
和吉姆·贝克牧师发生性关系
… having sex with Reverend Jim Bakker.
杰西卡·哈恩

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